[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by M370z

Whenever the Giulia QV gets mentioned here there’s always a contingent that gets weirdly threatened by the car. Happens in every thread, lol.

I had a 2020 and it was the best car I ever owned. The engine, the responsiveness etc. is like nothing else I’ve ever experienced. Definitely came with its share of Italian “quirks” but zero issues.

Still kick myself for getting rid of it, but we had two little ones so moved on to the X3M.

QV has back seats and 4 doors you messed up!

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by silvermanor

If you want some entertainment, go have a look at the Giulia QV forums. Shocking amount of insane issues on fairly new cars over there including many engine replacements for cars under 20k miles. If you honestly argue that the Giulia QV is a car without some catastrophic reliability issues, you are biased or you are uninformed.

I love Giulias as much as the next guy, but am wholly in agreement. They improved quality and reliability on these cars a lot in 2020, but there's still reasons to be wary. Yes the forums will have selection bias toward people who have experienced issues, but fact is the long-term reliability on Giulia QVs is uncertain.

Truly amazing car to drive and a beauty to look at, but given my 70 mile daily commute I'd wager the ownership experience of the M3 would be smoother. BMW has really improved reliability with their latest cars.

[silvermanor]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I love Giulias as much as the next guy, but am wholly in agreement. They improved quality and reliability on these cars a lot in 2020, but there's still reasons to be wary. Yes the forums will have selection bias toward people who have experienced issues, but fact is the long-term reliability on Giulia QVs is uncertain.

Truly amazing car to drive and a beauty to look at, but given my 70 mile daily commute I'd wager the ownership experience of the M3 would be smoother. BMW has really improved reliability with their latest cars.

100% agree. Beautiful cars that drive great. By comparison the G8X forum has a staggering absence of people complaining about reliability. BMW has come so far it's shocking. It also doesn't even touch the massive contrast in after purchase support from the dealer service network between the two brands. I love the idea of the QV but cannot recommend it to anyone I care about.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by silvermanor

100% agree. Beautiful cars that drive great. By comparison the G8X forum has a staggering absence of people complaining about reliability. BMW has come so far it's shocking. It also doesn't even touch the massive contrast in after purchase support from the dealer service network between the two brands. I love the idea of the QV but cannot recommend it to anyone I care about.

I think of the QV as I would any exotic or used car...buy one if your commute is short, if you live in a walkable city, or you have another car in the garage that you can depend on.

But if it's your only way of getting around especially with a heavy commute, just be aware you're taking a calculated risk.

[NSXR]

Coming from the Honda world I think it's laughable what you guys are willing to put up with. The N55 M2 is the first BMW I've considered in a long while, and in no way would I consider a Giulia. The argument that issues come with the territory because it's a performance car is simply uninformed. If your salary isn't three times the purchase price and it's not your second or third car you're just asking for trouble.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Haven't had any issues with my engine. Fuel injectors water pump turbo clutch differential suspension mounts though... So engine is about the only thing left hahaha.

Engine makes plenty of power. BMW twin turbo I6 are pretty legendary TBH. Maybe you mean the other I6 engines?

The B58 would still be considered unreliable in the domestic world. Failing oil pumps, water pump failures, leaks, all of these things are unheard of in the domestic world.

Admittedly, the newer LT motors aren't as robust as earlier LS motors, but LS motors are like, put gas and oil in them and that's it forever. If the car they're in gets wrecked or something, the motor gets transplanted into another car.

BMW has definitely made strides in their reliability, but they're not even playing the same game as an LS motor. They're still a laughing stock in domestic circles. When I bought my X5 the common consensus was "that's going to be expensive to keep running", and you know what? They were right, lol. Stuff like having to exchange the (lifetime per BMW) transfer case every 30k miles simply does not exist in the domestic world. Fluid intervals are typically shorter than necessary, because if it's "due" at 60k, you might get to it at 65k or something, so really it can last 80k.

Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of BMWs reputation as unreliable is a little outdated, but for someone with soft hands who can't work on their car, a BMW will financially break them. Transfer Case fluid exchange was quoted at $900 for me, I did it in like an hour at home. BMW also makes their cars VERY serviceable, like they put engineering money into making it easy to service the car. You don't get that in the domestic world, stuff is just wherever it lands and sometimes doing a fluid service for example is a huge pain in the ass.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I think of the QV as I would any exotic

This is why Alfa failed. Everyone had that opinion and they did NOTHING to change it. They should have put a like 10 year/100k mile bumper to bumper warranty on them. Something that was like "we swear it's not a POS and if it is we'll make it right". But they didn't, and everyone was like "well, it's pretty, but that's probably not going to be a good daily driver" and nobody bought them.

[floridaorange]

Originally Posted by silvermanor

If you want some entertainment, go have a look at the Giulia QV forums. Shocking amount of insane issues on fairly new cars over there including many engine replacements for cars under 20k miles. If you honestly argue that the Giulia QV is a car without some catastrophic reliability issues, you are biased or you are uninformed.

If you find time post a link pls

[silvermanor]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I think of the QV as I would any exotic or used car...buy one if your commute is short, if you live in a walkable city, or you have another car in the garage that you can depend on.

But if it's your only way of getting around especially with a heavy commute, just be aware you're taking a calculated risk.

I just don't think it's a good enough car to justify that. The G8X ix a more capable platform in almost every way and has been extremely robust so far.

[silvermanor]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

The B58 would still be considered unreliable in the domestic world. Failing oil pumps, water pump failures, leaks, all of these things are unheard of in the domestic world.

Admittedly, the newer LT motors aren't as robust as earlier LS motors, but LS motors are like, put gas and oil in them and that's it forever. If the car they're in gets wrecked or something, the motor gets transplanted into another car.

BMW has definitely made strides in their reliability, but they're not even playing the same game as an LS motor. They're still a laughing stock in domestic circles. When I bought my X5 the common consensus was "that's going to be expensive to keep running", and you know what? They were right, lol. Stuff like having to exchange the (lifetime per BMW) transfer case every 30k miles simply does not exist in the domestic world. Fluid intervals are typically shorter than necessary, because if it's "due" at 60k, you might get to it at 65k or something, so really it can last 80k.

Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of BMWs reputation as unreliable is a little outdated, but for someone with soft hands who can't work on their car, a BMW will financially break them. Transfer Case fluid exchange was quoted at $900 for me, I did it in like an hour at home. BMW also makes their cars VERY serviceable, like they put engineering money into making it easy to service the car. You don't get that in the domestic world, stuff is just wherever it lands and sometimes doing a fluid service for example is a huge pain in the ass.

Domestic fluid intervals are a joke. They were stretched as part of planned obsolescence and were designed to get you to day 1 after the warranty period before shit breaks. There is a ton of documentation and discourse on this from former engineers from GM. It's why the transmissions are exploding right now in all their trucks.

[silvermanor]

Originally Posted by floridaorange

If you find time post a link pls

https://www.giuliaforums.com/forums/...scussions.289/

Few favorites of mine are "the venting thread", "enough is enough (the buy back thread)", and "anyone not having problems?". All are stickied. If you want to search for "engine replacement " you'll find enough stories to write a novel. But yeah it's all conspiracy theory and QVs aren't as bad as everyone says...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by silvermanor

Domestic fluid intervals are a joke. They were stretched as part of planned obsolescence and were designed to get you to day 1 after the warranty period before shit breaks. There is a ton of documentation and discourse on this from former engineers from GM. It's why the transmissions are exploding right now in all their trucks.

As opposed to BMW E90 100,000-mile automatic transmission oil change intervals and lifetime manual transmission oil intervals?

[Mr Friese]

Pretty well known that the update back in 19/20 (namely the addition of port injection) cleared up many, many issues. Rare that you'll find an issue with anything post 2019, but there are always exceptions of course.

[JTrader1201]

I don’t have skin in this game but there’s no way in hell I’d take the ugly as sin G8x over the Giulia, which is arguably the most beautiful sedan of its generation.


The G8x will NOT be looked back favorably on in the future. Not to mention it being the most produced M car in history.

[silvermanor]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

As opposed to BMW E90 100,000-mile automatic transmission oil change intervals and lifetime manual transmission oil intervals?

I mean GM AT valve bodies in their new trucks are failing and locking up rear tires in less than 30k miles but yeah sure, I guess we could compare it to a BMW interval for a car from 20 years ago that may or may not had resulted in Daves transmission with 160k miles on it grinding into second.

[silvermanor]

Originally Posted by JTrader1201

I don’t have skin in this game but there’s no way in hell I’d take the ugly as sin G8x over the Giulia, which is arguably the most beautiful sedan of its generation.


The G8x will NOT be looked back favorably on in the future. Not to mention it being the most produced M car in history.

How original.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by silvermanor

How original.

It's true though man, these are emotional purchases, no one needs an M or a Quad, you gotta park it and turn around and smile not grimace. G80 is legit the ugliest performance car I can remember in the last 20 years.

[silvermanor]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

It's true though man, these are emotional purchases, no one needs an M or a Quad, you gotta park it and turn around and smile not grimace. G80 is legit the ugliest performance car I can remember in the last 20 years.

The Giulias wheels are too small, it has no hips, it has side view mirrors from a Fiat Panda and and it looks like a 2011 Kia Optima from the back.

Its all subjective dude.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by silvermanor

I mean GM AT valve bodies in their new trucks are failing and locking up rear tires in less than 30k miles but yeah sure, I guess we could compare it to a BMW interval for a car from 20 years ago that may or may not had resulted in Daves transmission with 160k miles on it grinding into second.

GM's 8 and 10 speed transmissions are not great. Also the DCT from the Corvette. They're just not great designs honestly.

The reality of it is they should get out of the transmission business and just buy ZFs like everyone else is doing. It's wild how many times a vehicle is utterly let down by using an in house transmission instead of the ZF8. Mazda with the CX90, Ford with everything using the10 speed, GM anything with the 8 or 10 speed, pretty much every Nissan, pretty much every modern Mercedes... Just buy the ZF8!

[chowser51]

just past 30k on my 22 Q4. The QV didn't make sense for my needs or location. lol.
It's not expensive to maintain if you do it yourself. oil change and filter is similar to what I pay on my X2 (using FCP Euro's exchange program). Haven't needed brakes yet, but it's probably just as easy as the x2m35i.

[silvermanor]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

GM's 8 and 10 speed transmissions are not great. Also the DCT from the Corvette. They're just not great designs honestly.

The reality of it is they should get out of the transmission business and just buy ZFs like everyone else is doing. It's wild how many times a vehicle is utterly let down by using an in house transmission instead of the ZF8. Mazda with the CX90, Ford with everything using the10 speed, GM anything with the 8 or 10 speed, pretty much every Nissan, pretty much every modern Mercedes... Just buy the ZF8!

Totally agree. Problem is GM would just buy a cost cutting version from ZF if they could. And then it wouldn't be able to be repaired at all because they are so complicated.

[blinkme323]

Why is there one dude in here who has never owned nor driven a QV that’s trying to bash / give advice on the car? Weird 😄

Enough of that though. @op let us know how you make out.