[subterFUSE]

The G90 weighs more than my 2023 Audi S8, and my car has the long wheelbase.

[440i6MT]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

That’s one reason I got the i5 M60 over the G90 M5. Total discounts, incentives and rebates, had me walking out the door with such a low car payment, it was almost as much as much as my G20. I spoke with many dealers about the G90 M5, no discounts for the foreseeable future, and $2,200 lease payments will be the norm for a while. From a leasing perspective it just didn’t make sense.

True, the MSRP of the G90 M5 is great if you compare it to its direct competitors, it’s almost a steal really, but when you start calculating the G90’s true value as a financial transaction, the numbers don’t add up, but it’s even worse for cars like the Panamera E-Hybrid or Mercedes GT63. I guess people just like flushing money down the toilet?? 🤷‍♂️

I’d rather spend $50 grand more than what a loaded G90 M5 costs and get a used 12 year old Ferrari 458 for around $200k these days, and you can rest assured the 458’s values are not going down any time soon.

This has always been my thinking when it comes to cars entering the $100k range. Ponying up the extra capital & going the route of a used 458 is simply the better option. Then, at that point, I have little practical use for a 458 anytime in the foreseeable future.

[infamousq]

Originally Posted by hb

Yes, I spent little time on the Autobahn. I already knew the car is silly fast after taking a right hander on the track at 300 kph. All I wanted to see was how the car handles when pushed a bit. And I didn't wanna go 8 or 9/10ths either. Just wanted to see what a normal driver would feel with the car.

So I focused mostly on handling, driving modes, suspension, steering input and comparison to F90 and XM.

In the upcoming longer reviews, we will test other things, including an actual EV range test.

Which review is yours?

[warpeacelove]

Originally Posted by SFT33

HB - watched your review as well. As usual - nice work. I’ll probably wait for the LCI - but I’m excited about the new car.

“BMW has not confirmed a Competition variant for the G90 M5, but a CS variant is potentially in the works. The CS model is usually introduced 2–3 years after the base model, so a G90 M5 CS could appear in 2026 or 2027.”

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by warpeacelove

“BMW has not confirmed a Competition variant for the G90 M5, but a CS variant is potentially in the works. The CS model is usually introduced 2–3 years after the base model, so a G90 M5 CS could appear in 2026 or 2027.”

A CS version with maybe 40-50 pounds removed would be amazing.

[CarlosM4]

I got to see the first demo car that arrived in Brazil of the new M5 (I provide services to BMW Brasil, so I got to see the one in their factory, probably the only one they have here right now).

Mixed feelings. It looks menacing in person, really aggressive, much different to the E39, F90, F10 (which are subtle) and more on par with how the E60 looks in comparison to the normal 5. Its much wider, and far more aggressive. I am not sure how I feel about its road presence (I like the understated nature of the M5), but I like how it looks.

The interior is a disappointment though. Coming from me who had 2 F90s (a non Comp 2019 and a currently own a Comp 2022). The interior is 2 cuts below, the leather is cheaper, the door cards are a lot cheaper, the lack of leather on dash and doors, the stalks feel cheap. There is no soft close, there is no rear comfort access, there is no rear door shades. It definitely feels a step up from an ordinary G60, and its a special interior, but for those who owned a F90, it certainly is a step down.

In the F90 or G30 for that matter, everything you see and touch, feels premium, it resembles a 7 Series. The G90 nope, it feels cheaper than a G20 inside.

I have yet to drive it, to give a thorough review, but the first impression is a mixed bag.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I got to see the first demo car that arrived in Brazil of the new M5 (I provide services to BMW Brasil, so I got to see the one in their factory, probably the only one they have here right now).

Mixed feelings. It looks menacing in person, really aggressive, much different to the E39, F90, F10 (which are subtle) and more on par with how the E60 looks in comparison to the normal 5. Its much wider, and far more aggressive. I am not sure how I feel about its road presence (I like the understated nature of the M5), but I like how it looks.

The interior is a disappointment though. Coming from me who had 2 F90s (a non Comp 2019 and a currently own a Comp 2022). The interior is 2 cuts below, the leather is cheaper, the door cards are a lot cheaper, the lack of leather on dash and doors, the stalks feel cheap. There is no soft close, there is no rear comfort access, there is no rear door shades. It definitely feels a step up from an ordinary G60, and its a special interior, but for those who owned a F90, it certainly is a step down.

In the F90 or G30 for that matter, everything you see and touch, feels premium, it resembles a 7 Series. The G90 nope, it feels cheaper than a G20 inside.

I have yet to drive it, to give a thorough review, but the first impression is a mixed bag.

I'm surprised with the decontenting of a car at this class level. I mean that. I would have thought the M5 would keep a premium degree of features. The interior on my 2020 M5 was just outstanding. I think German car manufacturers are under so many independent stressors right now. It's a perfect storm of profit attrition/costs/capital outlays. I guess something had to give.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I'm surprised with the decontenting of a car at this class level. I mean that. I would have thought the M5 would keep a premium degree of features. The interior on my 2020 M5 was just outstanding. I think German car manufacturers are under so many independent stressors right now. It's a perfect storm of profit attrition/costs/capital outlays. I guess something had to give.

just like with the newly released X3 M50... I suspect BMW tried to keep the msrp very close to the prior generation... the easy stuff... carry over engine with addition of a battery was straightforward (no weight savings either on the body so no real cost)... instead the real savings were on the interior... as a result we ended up w a car that isn't more expensive but also isn't better... and some would argue worse... i would have no complaints if they just made it a normal hybrid making 700 hp lol and it didnt weight 5400 lbs but rather 4500

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by ASAP

just like with the newly released X3 M50... I suspect BMW tried to keep the msrp very close to the prior generation... the easy stuff... carry over engine with addition of a battery was straightforward (no weight savings either on the body so no real cost)... instead the real savings were on the interior... as a result we ended up w a car that isn't more expensive but also isn't better... and some would argue worse... i would have no complaints if they just made it a normal hybrid making 700 hp lol and it didnt weight 5400 lbs but rather 4500

Completely agree with you.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I'm surprised with the decontenting of a car at this class level. I mean that. I would have thought the M5 would keep a premium degree of features. The interior on my 2020 M5 was just outstanding. I think German car manufacturers are under so many independent stressors right now. It's a perfect storm of profit attrition/costs/capital outlays. I guess something had to give.

The new G60 5 and M5 cause me concern about the future of BMW. If the Brand keeps going on this direction, what is to separate it from Chinese car makers?

Only its engineering prowess in chassis. Because honestly the interior of the G60 and G90 does not match its price.

The features removed suck, but the quality drop in the materials and finish is simply unacceptable.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by ASAP

just like with the newly released X3 M50... I suspect BMW tried to keep the msrp very close to the prior generation... the easy stuff... carry over engine with addition of a battery was straightforward (no weight savings either on the body so no real cost)... instead the real savings were on the interior... as a result we ended up w a car that isn't more expensive but also isn't better... and some would argue worse... i would have no complaints if they just made it a normal hybrid making 700 hp lol and it didnt weight 5400 lbs but rather 4500

Exactly. Spot on, assessment. I was surprised with the price of the G90 (in a positive light). Now I understand its price.

[subterFUSE]

To be fair, BMW is not the only brand that's reducing the quality of materials. I owned a 2012 Merc S63, and more recently I spent 2 months with a 2023 S580 as my daily driver. The quality of the interior materials on the 2023 model are quite noticeably behind my 2012 model. S580 is still a great car, but the materials used don't give the same sense of opulence as before.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

To be fair, BMW is not the only brand that's reducing the quality of materials. I owned a 2012 Merc S63, and more recently I spent 2 months with a 2023 S580 as my daily driver. The quality of the interior materials on the 2023 model are quite noticeably behind my 2012 model. S580 is still a great car, but the materials used don't give the same sense of opulence as before.

yeah BMW has missed the mark a bit in the balance of luxury between 3/5/7 series right now. Feels like if you truly value luxury BMW is basically telling you to pony up for a 7 or deal with it

[subterFUSE]

7 series is disqualified because it's so ugly. Mercedes and Audi are the only choices in the full-size sedan segment.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

To be fair, BMW is not the only brand that's reducing the quality of materials. I owned a 2012 Merc S63, and more recently I spent 2 months with a 2023 S580 as my daily driver. The quality of the interior materials on the 2023 model are quite noticeably behind my 2012 model. S580 is still a great car, but the materials used don't give the same sense of opulence as before.

I have mentioned this before and in the Merc forum. Even Porsche is going cost cutting. This is a massive gamble and risk though, because once the feeling of opulence and luxury is gone, what will distinguish it from a Chinese or Japanese car?

[subterFUSE]

Originally Posted by CarlosM4

I have mentioned this before and in the Merc forum. Even Porsche is going cost cutting. This is a massive gamble and risk though, because once the feeling of opulence and luxury is gone, what will distinguish it from a Chinese or Japanese car?

German cars will always drive better, but yes I agree with your general point.

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by infamousq

Which review is yours?

BMW Blog

[Rossocorsa]

For the life of me I can’t figure out who this car is for. The M5 is a driver’s car, a GT, but people want it to be an executive daily cruiser? That’s what the old m550 and new i5 m60 are, and they are absolutely fabulous at that! They have the looks, comfort, presence, isolation you want while you listen to a podcast in quiet cruising down the freeway or stuck in traffic. I never considered the m5 to be used in that manner, so it’s a very strange vehicle now. Why have electric range? Just very confusing.

[Kstoff125]

This car, while a step in the right direction, is to me, somewhat half-baked by BMW.

I’m sure the next generation will be great but this interim or transition phase is simply not that good, in relation to what the car has been in previous generations. In a different context, perhaps compared to current offerings today from other manufacturers, it might be a good car. I would imagine anyone that buys one will be happy.

I’ve got an m5cs, m4csl and a f82 m4 6spd, to me the f82 is most representative of what the BMW M division stands for, the most (and best) modern take of the great M drivers’ cars (thinking early 2000s m3 and m5s).

Just my opinion, but I’m also a guy that is still salty BMW changed the m3 name to m4 🤓, so take it with a grain of salt. 🧂

[Moewron]

Few things are as salty as BMW owners when a new BMW model is released. =)

Based on what you posted, I was curious to learn more about the F82. Here's the top result from a Google Search:

https://machineswithsouls.com/bmw-f82-m4-coupe-review/

[outie]

Originally Posted by Rossocorsa

For the life of me I can’t figure out who this car is for. The M5 is a driver’s car, a GT, but people want it to be an executive daily cruiser? That’s what the old m550 and new i5 m60 are, and they are absolutely fabulous at that! They have the looks, comfort, presence, isolation you want while you listen to a podcast in quiet cruising down the freeway or stuck in traffic. I never considered the m5 to be used in that manner, so it’s a very strange vehicle now. Why have electric range? Just very confusing.

Status.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

German cars will always drive better, but yes I agree with your general point.

not when everyone goes to a similar ev platform... or if the germans get some dumb idea that its better and cheaper to build fwd platform cars only